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The Lipstick Page Forums Beauty & Fashion Blog: June 2007

Annick Goutal Les Nuits d'Hadrien
Posted by Colleen Shirazi, Friday, June 29, 2007 2:25 AM (Eastern)

I tried this out again today. On me, it's a bit gorgeous, but surprisingly faint, compared to the original Eau d'Hadrien.

Perhaps it's unfair to compare the two, but it was the spareness and lucidity of Eau d'Hadrien, the simple two notes of lemon and cypress, citrus and herb, that was pure unadulterated genius.

Les Nuits... has the citrus, but the other notes in it seem to mute rather than add. Oh I doubt I'm being fair. Some perfumes need a heavier application to stand out, for example, Etro Heliotrope. At first I deemed it a weak perfume, until I got a bottle of it and started spraying.

I'll try it out again tomorrow.

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June 29, 2007 3:12 PM, Blogger Dain said...

I haven't tried the original Eau d'Hadrien, but I know it's more popular. IMO, Les Nuits is a for nights (obviously), city dwellers, or people who aren't really into citrus. I'm surprised you find it weak, though--do you have the EDT, perhaps? The EDP is very strong for a citrus (which is why I liked it), though I gave it as a gift as I never wear citrus perfumes.

I've never really liked a rose, either, at least, not enough to buy one. Just enough to spritz at the store and wear it around.

June 29, 2007 9:44 PM, Blogger Colleen Shirazi said...

It's definitely the EDT. But then I tried the EDT of Eau d'Hadrien and on me, or to me, (or both), it smelled much much stronger.

I can't smell certain perfumes on myself. I tried Chanel Allure, and even though other people describe it as heady, potent, et cetera, I could hardly smell a thing (whereas Coco Mademoiselle smelled wonderfully potent on me).

So it could just be one of those things. I fairly drenched myself in it this morning. But I can't really smell it.

June 30, 2007 2:38 PM, Blogger Colleen Shirazi said...

You know something, I'll bet that's it. I tried Les Nuits... before, in a shop, and it wasn't weak.


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Updates on Annick Goutal samples
Posted by Colleen Shirazi, Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:26 PM (Eastern)

annick goutal heure exquiseI've been slowly wending my way through my samples of Annick Goutal.

Thus far, oddly enough, since I don't think of myself as attracted to "powdery" scents, it is Heure Exquise which stands out. It has an eternal quality. Powdery fragrances can so easily smell, well, cheap, or generic, which is worse than cheap...Heure Exquise emerges because it has sufficient individuality.

Neroli is still in the running; I've worn it several times. Here it would depend on how you feel about citrus scents; it's almost as citrus as it is floral. Songes remains on my first-pass list as well.

I've briefly tried (or retried, rather) Gardenia Passion and Nuits d'Hadrien. Gardenia Passion is easily the best, most authentic gardenia perfume I've tried. You'd have to be nuts about gardenias however; it is what it says it is, just gardenia. Nuits...I'll need to try some more before commenting.

Rose Absolue...I've decided against, for purely personal reasons; I'm not a rose gal after all. That would explain why I've gravitated toward many a rose perfume over the years, from Evelyn by Crabtree & Evelyn, to Stella by Stella McCartney, to Rose Absolue itself--it's a rich, classical rose; deep red, many-petaled and velvet--rather than a light, modern, tinny rose--but never bought one.

Passion is what I'm wearing today. I can't decide whether I like it or not. It honestly smells like something I smelled in the 1970's, but I can't put my finger on it. It's not unpleasant. me.

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Nars duo eyeshadow ponderings...
Posted by Colleen Shirazi, Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:59 PM (Eastern)

Okay. So we're finally getting a Sephora. By that I mean half an hour's drive, not driving into the City (where parking is atrocious-to-nonexistent), and so forth.

Meaning, I'll likely wait until the Sephora opens to buy anything new, because I have a couple of Urban Decay 24/7 eyepencils, a Nars lipstick (which I want to see before buying) and maybe a Nars duo eyeshadow on my wish list.

Why Nars? I have tried Dior and Lancome eyeshadows. They're both wonderful, Dior in particular, no doubt about it. But they tend more toward conventional colors, at least compared to Nars. I need more unconventional (however subtly so) shades.

nars eyeshadow duos
swatches courtesy has reasonably accurate color swatches, better imo than the Nars site itself, but not the full array:

nars eyeshadow duos
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I have seen some of them "on," so at least have some idea which ones not to buy. But right now, it's an open book. I own Babylon, Ireland and Island Fever (and still love them all...interestingly, the quality of them has not changed over three years).

So, any thoughts?

Bueller?... Bueller?... Bueller?

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June 20, 2007 6:44 AM, Blogger Dain said...

The ones I want are Habanera and Pandora, but for your coloring, I would recommend looking at Rebecca first. Spring green and peachy-rosy, so fresh and flattering on green eyes. They are almost nonexistent on my skin tone, but they might suit you. Judging by your taste in blush and lipsticks, I think we have very different undertones. Key Largo would be very, very basic, but good.

June 20, 2007 6:45 AM, Blogger Dain said...

If you were in the mood to go all out, I'd throw in a single, too. Maybe something plummy shimmery like Ondine, if you ever wanted a crease or (soft) liner color to match.

June 20, 2007 1:06 PM, Blogger Colleen Shirazi said...

I was hoping you'd show up. :) Those sound like good recs.

I'm guessing the new Sephora will be totally mobbed for the first two weeks. After that I might go check it out.

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Day 2 of Annick Goutal Neroli and Songes
Posted by Colleen Shirazi, 2:57 PM (Eastern)

Today I'm layering these two scents. By this I don't mean I apply one over the other, but rather I apply one higher up on my body and the other one lower down.

The rationale is that some perfumes have sillage, or scent you can smell from farther away, while others have less of this quality. I place the sillage-laden fragrance farther down--backs of knees, lower thighs--so the stronger scent wafts up, without becoming overwhelming. The quieter scent is placed higher up--décolletage, stomach, wrist, behind ears...whatever your preferences.

Hence I have Songes as my "lower" scent and Neroli as the "higher" one.

With all this preamble, I smell the orange blossoms in Neroli much more clearly today than yesterday. Now it smells quite distinct from Eau d'Hadrien. It's almost pure orange blossoms, with a shot of actual orange fruit, like a sliced orange on a plate next to a flowering orange tree.

Songes...I can hardly smell now that it's farther away from my nose. When I had a tiny drop of it on my wrist yesterday, I smelled it for hours. Of course this is all dabbling from a sample vial; spraying it on would produce more definitive results.

I had intended to try a different scent today altogether, but couldn't resist the combination of these two.

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Premature reviews for Annick Goutal Songes and Neroli
Posted by Colleen Shirazi, Monday, June 18, 2007 8:52 PM (Eastern)

I tried these out today, from my samples.

Songes was surprisingly strong, heady, good sillage...I suppose it was a bit less complex than I'd expected. (Mind you this is a first impression.) A single tiny dab smelled strong for hours.

The notes from the Annick Goutal site are as follows: Frangipani, Absolute of Ylang-Ylang, Absolute of Jasmine and Absolute of Vanilla. The description from the site came closer to what I was smelling (or perhaps a blend of both):

The top note is a glorious natural jasmine accord. It then moves through a series of scene changes, comes close to a woody-powdery core, and eventually settles into a rich, long-lasting wood-vanilla-white flowers drydown of great refinement.

I'd say the wood part faded after a while, the vanilla was in the background...what I was getting was very floral, tropical, tempered and grounded a bit by the other notes.

Conclusion: what I liked best were the strength and sillage. I like perfumes that require only a bit, and last for hours. I hate having perfumes fade quickly.

It could have been more complex, but then I already layer perfumes; doesn't bother me a bit. Thinking of this as a potential layering scent, or, ideal scent for extremely hot, humid weather, when lesser scents fade instantly. this reminds me quite a bit of their Eau d'Hadrien perfume, to the point I half-wondered if the folks had gotten my order confused. But it does smell different. Initially, you get a healthy dose of orange blossoms, indeed the scent of "young ladies fond of flowers."

After that it seemed to fade, and I wondered if this were one of those scents you had to slather on to get much scent payoff. changed again and started smelling almost exactly like the aforementioned Eau d'Hadrien.

Now...several hours's smelling good, closer to pure orange blossoms. For being a "soliflore" (single flower) scent, it seems to have taken quite a journey getting to this point.

It's way too early to draw a conclusion about either scent, but so far, I like them both.

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Side note about biotin supplement
Posted by Colleen Shirazi, 2:55 PM (Eastern)

It seems to have made my arms smoother. I had some of those little bumps on them, I don't know if it was keratosis pilaris, but they're all but gone now. Taking my regular multi-vitamin didn't do anything; I noticed the change after I'd been taking the biotin for a while.


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Posted by Colleen Shirazi, 2:13 PM (Eastern)

annick goutal perfume samples

Mmmmm. I haven't tried any yet. The package smells heavenly, like Harper Lee's description of "the ladies" in To Kill a Mockingbird (funny how cosmetically-inclined people remember stuff like that: the Tangee Natural lipstick, the Cutex Natural nail polish).

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June 18, 2007 4:59 PM, Blogger Dain said...

Yay! How fun! I've only really tried Nuit d'Hadrien, and it's yummy, though I'm not really into citrus. But considering that I am not, I think that speaks well for it.

June 18, 2007 6:05 PM, Blogger Colleen Shirazi said...

I'm trying out Songes "trying out" I mean I dabbed one teeny drop of it on my wrist. It's quite strong. I'm not sure if I like it yet. It could stand to be a tad more complex...I suppose it reminds me somehow of Organza, but stronger, sweeter, less complex. But those could be good things.

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Posted by Colleen Shirazi, Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:55 PM (Eastern)

I'm at the end of Armani Code--which is a terrific scent btw--but I'd like to replace it with something different. There are a few scents on my short list: Annick Goutal Ce Soir Ou Jamais and Eau d'Hadrien, Etro Royal Pavillon (Shaal Nur is a good one too but seems more of a winter scent), I say, it's a short list.

Enter Today I ordered their sample pack...and the samples are generous; you get vials with enough to thoroughly road test your follows (all Annick Goutal):

First choices:
Rose Absolue
Gardenia Passion
Heure Exquise
Le Jasmin
Les Nuits d'Hadrien
If out of stock, please substitute:
Eau de Ciel

(You can order samples of any of the fragrances on the site; these are just the ones I wanted to try.)

Of the group, I've smelled only Gardenia Passion and Les Nuits d'Hadrien. Both smell good in their individual way--Gardenia Passion's virtue is that it smells like a bona fide gardenia, without the chemical, even harsh undertone of other gardenia perfumes.

Les Nuits d'Hadrien...well...don't remember exactly, just that it was wonderfully complex.

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Where to buy Anthelios?
Posted by Colleen Shirazi, Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:39 PM (Eastern)

So, I am getting more serious about sunscreen this year. The sun has gotten noticeably stronger around here.

It's...a bemusing experience. Apparently it is not possible to just go to your local drugstore in Northern California and buy a sunscreen containing what is widely touted as the best sunscreen ingredient: Mexoryl. It just isn't.

I tried Longs Drugs, Walgreens and Target, before accepting that this substance just might be slightly more difficult to procure than cocaine. Here is a thread from the forums, on the first etailers that showed when searching Anthelios.

I will post here what I decide to buy and from whom.


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June 13, 2007 8:55 PM, Blogger Dain said...

I'm pretty sure that Bigelows sells it. And also, And L'Oreal has just come out with a sunscreen with Meroxyl... or maybe that was Lancome. I fail to discern the difference between the two.

June 14, 2007 9:21 PM, Blogger Colleen Shirazi said...

Yup, it was Lancome. Arabella tried it and didn't care for it. The Anthelios formula has gotten more favorable reviews from what I can tell.

I'm still a bit fuddled as to why L'Oreal has released this in only two brands. I can dig they own the patent, but why not make it more easily available? Don't they think people would buy it? There's a tremendous demand now for better and better sunscreens. It freaks me out a bit that I actually went to a European site to check their prices.

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Best shampoo without sulfates
Posted by Colleen Shirazi, 1:56 AM (Eastern)

I managed to do a spot of shopping today. Bought two shampoos...which, for a shampoo ho, amounts to a whole hill of shampoo.

Both were repurchases, actually (again, highly unusual for said shampoo ho): Alba Hawaiian Hair Washes, Plumeria and Honeydew, one of each.

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I've used other sulfate-free shampoos...Avalon Organics Lemon clarifying shampoo and Queen Helene Mint Julep shampoo (waves to Carol) are good. Kiss My Face Whenever shampoo was okay but I don't think I would repurchase. Jason Vitamin E shampoo smelled great, but ultimately I didn't like made my hair color look funny, I suppose it left a residue of some sort on it. (These are all reviewed in the Shampoo category of our Online Beauty Reviews site btw.)

Of all I've tried, few have I ever repurchased. The Alba Hawaiian ones are genuinely worthy, as follows:
  1. They smell divine, with a strong, natural fragrance.

  2. They lather decently, pretty much like a regular "sulfate shampoo."

  3. They're not cheap (the way Queen Helene Mint Julep shampoo is), but they're still affordable; you don't need to use gobs o' shampoo at a pop.

  4. They clean well without stripping or doing that funny thing to colored hair.

  5. They leave hair soft and manageable.

  6. They're pretty good at not building up.

All in all a pleasure to use. I can't wait to wash my hair tomorrow!

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Dude, we're getting a Sephora!
Posted by Colleen Shirazi, Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:20 PM (Eastern)

Thanks for the good news, fashion_fascist. :)

sephora opening in the bay street mall in emeryville

Yay! The closest Sephora around here is in the City; I've been there exactly once. Now I won't have to make a pilgrimage to check out, oh, Nars, Urban Decay, a few other brands from civilization...


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June 13, 2007 9:49 AM, Blogger cmm said...

There. is. one. near. me. now. too.

June 13, 2007 9:56 AM, Blogger cmm said...

Seriously,I'm almost hyperventilating over here. I'm either dreaming or I died last night and woke up in either heaven or hell, depending on how on looks at it! LOL!!!

45 minutes away.
From ME!


June 13, 2007 5:11 PM, Blogger Colleen Shirazi said...


I have been to one, the once. It amounted to me jumping off the cable car...oh, for the good old days, when the cable car was included in the Muni Fast Pass. When I lived in the City, if you bought a Fast Pass (universal mass transit pass), you could take the cable car instead of the bus. Didn't cost more (it does now, they want to make money off the cable cars...mumbles...).

Anyhow so I jumped off the cable car and ducked into the Sephora. It's not nearly as overwhelming as it sounds. There's tons of stuff, but long time beauty junkies coughs are already familiar with a great deal of it. So you already know what to look at, and pretty much what to buy.

I've decided to put off my haul until they open and at least some of the furor has died down. :D Thinking about a Nars lipstick, possibly another Nars e/s duo, and an Urban Decay 24/7 eyepencil or two (I just tossed MAC Permaplum today, it was getting funny).

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Update on biotin for hair loss
Posted by Colleen Shirazi, Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:17 PM (Eastern)

It's been about nine months since I started taking a biotin supplement for my (lifelong) thin hair: The LPF Beauty Blog biotin page

There is a definite difference. I don't have gobs of hair, but I feel my hair is noticeably thicker, in the sense that I don't feel that self-conscious about it anymore.

I went back and tried to find something in the way of "before and after" pictures, here goes:

April 7, 2006

May 8, 2007

I realize it's not a perfect comparison, since I don't have a recent photo with my hair worn the same way as before, and I'm too lazy to take one now--I've had my hair up all day since I washed it, so it would look funny. But I will take a good picture at the one-year fact remind me, I'll take the one-year picture at the same location too (I took the pic on the left by putting the camera inside a microwave oven).


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June 8, 2007 1:58 PM, Blogger cmm said...

It does look good!
Did you happen to notice any difference in the growth rate? Did it grow any faster? I'm always wanting my hair to grow FASTER. Maybe if I'd stop chopping it off all the time. :-\

I'm horrible at remembering to take any pills, I'm impressed with your stick-to-it-tivity.

I don't need anymore hair, but I do want it longer.

June 8, 2007 6:31 PM, Blogger Colleen Shirazi said...

Thanks! :)

Nope, I have not noticed my hair growing faster (which is good for me, since that would just mean more root touch-ups and haircuts :D ). I have seen several people post on other boards, that their hair grew faster while taking biotin, so I'll guess it's pretty much individual.

I'm so bad at remembering to take pills, that I made it my New Year's Resolution this year--to remember to take my vitamins and also not get two-inch roots? :p

June 11, 2007 7:02 AM, Blogger Katherine said...

You look great in your May 8 pic :)

June 11, 2007 7:57 PM, Blogger Colleen Shirazi said...

Hi Katherine,

Thanks! That's very nice of you to say.

My daughter took the May 8 picture...hmmm...I'd say the biotin supplement helped some with my eyebrows too. I have those Asian "why bother?" eyebrows, they've always been on the thin side, but I feel they've filled out at least a bit lately.

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Closing in on a signature lipstick
Posted by Colleen Shirazi, 3:59 PM (Eastern)

Oh well, I've already decided to lose my Nars lipstick virginity. Now, which one?

I'm thinking sheers. Yes, sheer has become a dirty word, when it is used to mean "next to no pigment in product"--and I have no desire to select a "why bother?" lippy...yet, I've never read a gripe that Nars sheer lipsticks lack pigment.

Internet photographs of women wearing Nars lipstick are in ridiculously short supply btw. I can buy it that they cost more than some other lipsticks, but these days, they don't cost that much more. I'd sooner pay Nars prices for one lipstick that works and gets used all the way down, than pay more for two other lipsticks that end up getting tossed after a few uses.

Dolce Vita? Not likely...I'm sure it's a great shade. But after some experimentation, I've become convinced that "my" lipstick (other than Chanel Moiré, which I'm not worried about now) has got to be a little bit bright. It should not be too neutral, too natural, really.

Hindu? Check this out: SM Memo: Nars "Hindu" is Very Brown. Nice pic. Too brown for what I'm after.

Gipsy? Doesn't everyone own Gipsy, if they own a Nars lipstick? Or Flair? They both look pretty, that's for sure.

Sexual Healing, Barbarella, Belle de Jour and Viva Las Vegas are all quite light, from what I've seen Net-wise. Light lipsticks are good if you use a certain amount of eye makeup, otherwise you get the dead fish look. Hum.

That narrows it down a bit. Not really; I think you do have to see the lippies in person, swatch 'em, get a feel for what you're getting.

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Stash musings
Posted by Colleen Shirazi, Saturday, June 02, 2007 1:23 PM (Eastern)

As my cosmetics stash gently ages (see previous Rambles...), I feel I should rethink what it means to have a stash to begin with.

I've never been much of a "collector" in the sense that owning a lot of makeup, for the sake of owning it, has never appealed to me. By this I do not mean that owning a lot of makeup is bad. It can be very good, as long as you find a purpose for it. If I had use for two hundred lipsticks, I would own two hundred lipsticks. And I would love each one.

But two hundred lipsticks is not "me." One or two lipsticks is becoming, more and more so, "me." That could be seen as next to insane in this era of thousands upon thousands of lipsticks, but, again, a stash is personal, and must be customized to the customer.

So far a close candidate for the One or Two Lippy Policy is Chanel Moiré.

It looks nothing like that little swatch btw. Moiré is a luscious blend of many colors, starting with a warm, brick red base, laced with plum, rose, a bit o' brown, a twist of fuchsia shimmer, altogether Your Lips But Better, but not as bland as some YLBB shades tend to be.

Why Moiré, well it's the only Hydrabase I've tried. I would probably investigate the other Hydrabases before plunking down anything.

So, next...

Nars. Which Nars? I have no clue. Unlike MAC, Nars is a brand not incessantly photographed. The price of Nars is comparable to Chanel's, so again I would investigate before buying.

Those are my two candidates, when my MAC Strawberry Blonde lipstick gets used up. I'm leaning more toward Nars than Chanel, if only because Nars lipstick is the "evil I never tried before."

Now, eyepencils...what I have: MAC Powerpoints in Permaplum, Grey Utility, Bordeauxline. MAC Eye Kohl in Heirloom. Prestige waterproof automatic pencil in Expresso.

Expresso is genuinely getting old, I've tried wiping a few layers off with a tissue; it's still difficult to get a good thin line out of it, or blend the line I do get. It's a good brand...easily the best drugstore eyepencil. But I'd like something more special in terms of color.

Enter Urban Decay 24/7 eyepencil in Bourbon.

Bourbon would appear to be a brown pencil swirled with gold, perhaps a bit of red; all that good stuff. I'd have to swatch it, but basically I'm looking for a brown eyepencil that would go with all the eyeshadows that brown eyepencils go with, but be special enough to be worn on its own.

I'm not in a hurry to replace my MAC eyepencils as the quality seems to be holding out, but if Bourbon works out, I might look at the purple 24/7's.

Blush...more than happy with Nars the Multiple in Malibu.

"Pinkish brown" not do it justice. Malibu is a bit warm, a bit bronzy, essentially a deep rose color. It functions as part blush, with an element of a bronzer. You can use it as eyeshadow or lipstick...I don't, since I have better eyeshadows, and as a lipstick, it's too dry. As a blush, it transforms. Can't ask for more, there.

Eyeshadow. Now here I must echo Dain. You've got to replenish your Nars duo eyeshadows periodically. They do pay for themselves; the duos I acquired three years ago are still going strong, still look perfect, still...inspire.

Habanera is the "obvious" choice, if only because it's different. Not "different unwearable," from what I can glean (never seen it in person), but "I can create something amazing" different, "how did she do it?" different. But I'll probably end up getting something else. Forget it, Jake. It's Nars.

Okay so that's it for color cosmetics for me. I don't wear mascara, don't wear eyebrow products, don't do gloss or lipliner (shhhhh...). For that matter I don't do concealer, have no interest in full coverage foundation, have never actually worn liquid eyeliner. I need a few color cosmetics to keep me entertained/make me look good when I need to look good...the products have to perform, have to elevate, otherwise why bother?

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June 3, 2007 8:36 AM, Blogger cmm said...

I have a Chanel lippie and I also have a NARS.

Colorwise, the NARS rocks, but the formula stinks. Its drying. Really,really drying. Which is fine, cause its a red and so it wears like iron and does not move. But it is drying. Good for special occasion wear, not so good for everyday use.

Chanel, the color is not as rockin', but, ahhhhhh, the formula. It is a pleasure to wear! This one is also a red. Its moist, creamy,light, balm-like. Of course, it doesn't last as long, but it does wear well for a red

I have ultra-sensitive lips though, so maybe the NARS won't bother you. I would definitely buy another Chanel, but I wouldn't repurchase another Nars lippie.

June 3, 2007 9:49 PM, Blogger Colleen Shirazi said...

Hermmmmm... I had heard that about Nars lipsticks. Not sure if they're all like that, or if some formulas are drier than others.

That's the bugger about Nars, there isn't much consumer info about it on the Net. There's an overload o' MAC, but next to no Nars.

I'm game to try *a* Nars lippy, most likely one of the sheers. If the sheer is dry, that will likely be the last Nars lippy for me. I don't do dry too well.

The Chanel lippy I tried was the Hydrabase formula, and it was good. It felt dry on the surface, but kept my lips really soft.

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